By continuing to browse our site you agree to our use of data and cookies. Guys is ther any other parts i mite need to replace. Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by mortaldemon, Mar 28, 2019. timesert actually makes kit especially for drain plugs. No issues. They work on aluminum automobile oil pans, so maybe. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It's an M6 bolt. Stripped oil plug. July 4, 2016 in 250-530 EXC-F/XCF-W/XCR-W. Should be here Monday . I decided to go ahead and do an oil change, and of course found that the previous owner was kind enough to pre-strip the drain bolt on the right side with the clutch cover. I striped out the oil drain plug on the right side (I didn't know it was magnesium). It is a smaller plug that is a few inches higher than the drain plug. Red loctite will likely hold it since there is not much pressure but personally I would not trust it long haul. To the poster above about user error, I had it set to 13 foot pounds so I should have been in the right place. 99. Helpful. This happens when the copper washer dents in. I got it out know with a bolt grip set, I honestly have no idea what he did. By Buy Dog River Tools Oil Drain Tool for KTM, Husaberg, Husqvarna, Beta Motorcycle: . Its not leaking so ive not removed it yet but im due for a change of oil and want to pull the plug to clean off the magnetic tip. They work on aluminum automobile oil pans, so maybe. A torque wrench is a must when working on KTM's. Good luck and don't give up! Luckily, not the drain bolt. KTM Forums - Come meet sponsors, teams and the worldwide KTM forum community to discuss topics covering Super Duke, 500 EXC, RC8, KTM 690, 790, 990, 1190, 1290. Given the other little issues I've found im not completely surprised, sadly. I dial it back several clicks from spec. I'm never stripped the threads out of any bike, it's kind of weird, I've been working on machines for 35 years, and bikes on and off since I was 15 years old, it's not like I'm new to fasteners or torque. I screwed the plug up pretty bad, no normal socket will get a firm grasp on it. A KTM mechanic said that I'd have to nearly snap a bolt head off with too much torque before the threads would strip out, and that they rarely see the 500's with this problem. Good luck!!! On my KTM, there is a plug for checking the oil. In this Scenario you need strength and sealing. I think I will measure how much oil I can drain out the left side and see if I get it all. Helicoil repair. It's a very small amount of torque. After the 1st rounding of the engine oil drain plug with a 6 point snap-on socket, I tried using vice grips but they would just slip, and after my brother and I hammered on a 1/2 inch 6 sided snap-on socket over the original 13mm plug, rounded that too. And then rotate it in the opposite direction to pull it out. Post Reply T thermal Member Sep 25, 2001 351 0 Feb 18, 2002 Thread starter #9 By Some heat on the cases themselves are the way to go if you can still get any purchase on the bolt. Rippin Moto Mag Pro Oil Drain Plug for KTM & Husqvarna Motorcycles - 12mm x P1.5mm With Neodymium Magnet (Blue) 5.0 out of 5 stars 2. I cant find a thread insert for that but I can tap it for 22mm. If you're careful, you can sometimes get them out with a chisel. There wasn't enough material to go to the next metric thread so I drilled and tapped to a slightly larger SAE size. (KTM) > Hard. ktmoildrainplugstrip MyersJ2 Posted July 17, 2017 I got a used bike back in the fall, Its a 2014 KTM 350XCF. I'm not sure I would do this myself, but they make an oversize 12X1.5mm plug for automobiles. How to repair KTM transmission oil level screw thread @Andrew Cooksey Reviewed in the United States on . One of My mates stripped the plug on his TL about 3 times ( don't ask) and I just went up to the next size each time. Forget the tourch. This will allow using the stock plug. Then apply a little torque as it gets tighter. Dont need to know! You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Just make sure to only reuse the copper washer once, and flip it. Or is there another way? I've stripped engine case threads by doing so. The bolt obviously will not go back in. Thanks, good advice. Oil Filter Screen Drain Plug Bolt for KTM & Husaberg quantity. July 17, 2017 in 250/350/450/505 SX-F & XC-F. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/amp/torque-lubrication-effects-d_1693.html. When refilling, once oil starts to weep out of that hole, that is full. You could go slightly oversize with a drill/tap as speedboot said. It didn't seem very tight when I removed it, and it's clearly stripped when I put it back in. Dozens of oil changes on 4 bikes. What torque setting did you follow? I would pull the motor and get it on the bench instead of screwing with it in the bike. I add a bit extra for clutchcooling as well so no need. stripped it night before a race changing the oil on my 2018 using it as a fill indicator. At some point it will "slip" and get loose for, maybe, 1/8th of a turn. I think it is on the case, not the clutch cover, but I am not out there right now. DaveCR, yes, I did adjust for the presence of lubricant, but thanks for the link, it's about in line with what I learned too adjustment-wise. Just measure the oil just like before. I use the torque wrench all the time on those drain bolts, 14.8 ft lbs on the oil drain and 11.1ft lbs on the screens. Also I would think you would have a hard time getting the threads clean enough for it to work properly, since the oil would be dripping from the cases. (1090/1190/1290)' started by Lerxstdawg, Jun 1, . ktm 500 stripped oil filter cover thread. EDIT: Bad title, the pan is stripped, not the bolt. Ive been impressed with time certs. I did a repair on a Moto Guzzi trans.Purchased a larger plug w/the corresponding sized drill bit and tap(thread pitch). I've seen it on my car and truck too. It happens all the time , I never use a torque wrench for oil drain plugs . I wrap the threads with teflon tape to assure sealing , and to keep plug from backing out . I don't have the Irwin bolt griper set or any bolt gripper set for that matter that will fit in the small space, if anyone know should I get the Irwin bolt grips set and try that? Usually it's not the bolt that is the problem. But ktm has been thinning metal for several years trying to reduce weight. K.I.S.S.Keep it simple stupid. . I just put in the required amount. Cheers. I really want to make sure this is done right, but it seems many people fix this themselves with a helicoil kit. Now the challenge. You fill it until oil comes out. I've found out that way before. But I just do it by hand because I can feel it. Core. I can't turn the bolt at all. Stripped drain plug repair: Time-sert not Helicoil! I wonder if it's the large surface area on the sealing washer? David Dacaro, If it does start to leak, you can grind the head off the bolt and then drill the whole works out with a helicoil kit bit. and our Time-Sert M14x1.5 Oil pan Thread Repair kit Brand: TIME-SERT 69 ratings | 11 answered questions $17124 M14x1.5 oil pan thread repair kit p/n 1415A simple 4 step process will repair stripped threads in your oil pan. 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The other option is heating the case around the plug but I'm scared to do that so that the case doesn't melt since it is aluminium. Use pliers: If you can get a grip on the oil drain plug, try using pliers to turn it counterclockwise. My 125 has two drain plugs and one check plug. Magnesium represents a very specialized fire risk. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. If you attempt to make it larger then it is even worst. We use data about you for a number of purposes explained in the links below. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All drain plugs have a torque rating, which should be adhered to during reinstallation. Use the proper-sized socket with the right number of sides. Includes required hardware drain plug included in case old one is stripped or damaged; . The magnesium cover is too soft and thin to accurately install one. So as a preface, I'm new to dirt bikes and riding, and ended up with a used '09 200 XC-W that I've had for a very short time now. You fill it until oil comes out. I did this on an old Honda XL 500 case. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. We use data about you for a number of purposes explained in the links below. Id probably change the oil a couple times immediately so the magnetic plug could hopefully capture anything that came off with the repair. Most guys I know that have attempted a helicoil on that bolt have failed. That said, Ive never used them on a drain plug. If you look at the parts fiche online it might list the size and pitch. It's not the bike , just kidding about that . Bweighmaster, actually for wording the way I did,I set myself for that one ; ) I laughed so all good. How did you apply your torque wrench to the bolt?!? I changed my trans oil but that plug was also very tight. Did you set the wrench to Foot/lbs, Inch/lbs, Nms ? I coated it with red Locktite for now. In terms of strength, they should be like new. For more information, please see our Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. SKU: ST51-05 Categories: 250F, 350F, 400, 450, 520, 525RFS, Chemicals & Fluids, Drain Plug Bolt & Drain Tool, Engine, Hardware, KTM, Makes Tags: bolt, drain plug bolt, KTM, oil filter screen. Peace is my shelter, Experience is my school. When you buy through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission.Copyright ThumperTalk, Inc. - All rights reserved.ThumperTalk is a registered trademark. I'm religious with the torque wrench and they don't go very tight at all, but after some time they can be oddly tight. Put the plug back in and refill. The case is aluminum. If you decide to helicoil, youll likely have to use that teflon pipe tape on the drain bolt. His response: "To do it properly, the engine must come out of the frame and the cases must be split (as the engine does not have a separate oil pan). On my KTM, there is a plug for checking the oil. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I'd consider JB welding that bolt in there and leave it alone. I think only your covers (clutch and ignition) are magnesium. It was Friday night and I wanted to ride the weekend so:eek: Yes it is a 125. I used a heat gun since the pump was still underhood. Add to cart. Could I do a Helicoil on it without taking it apart? Apr 14, 2021. Read more. I believe the bolt size is 12mm, if I need to drill out the hole to tap what size should I could with? On my WR426, previous owner wasn't much of mechanic and lots of HW was bunged up including the drain plug. Havent had an issue in 40hrs & 6000ft permanent elevation change. No chips may stay inside the cases. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Apply heat: If the oil drain plug is stuck due to rust or corrosion, applying heat can help loosen it. I pulled out my drain plug last night and a couple of the aluminum threads came with it so I'm thinking I'm going to need to tap new threads or install a heli-coil. That didnt work. Best to coat tap with heavy grease before retreading hole. Justin Brayton Weighs In | PulpMX Show 540. Hello. Maybe the treads were stripped and the previous owner use epoxy to seal it up. Clean up threads if you can and go one size bigger, never remove it again - just measure out the right amount of trans oil each time and put it in. ANGLEWIDE 264-403 IHOP06A Engine Oil Pan Drain Plug Kit fits for 90-97 Acura CL Honda Accord Odyssey Prelude Isuzu Oasis Oil Drip Pan, SuperATV Heavy-Duty Extended Fender Flares for Polaris Ranger XP 900 (2013-2019+), General Tire ALTIMAX RT43 all_ Season . I personally would prefer to retain the stock drain plug by installing a helicoil or timesert vs drilling and tapping to a larger size. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. April 12, 2022 in 250-530 EXC-F/XCF-W/XCR-W. Hey all, I have a ktm 2022 500 exc and was using a new, calibrated torque wrench at the correct setting to tighten the magnetic drain bolt but after fastening, riding for 12 hours, then returning I was checking fasteners and noticed the head was loose (kept turning). Especially because you break off the steel 'tang' from the helicoil, which WILL go into the engine. What if they were recirculated into the engine, what damage could be done by essentially some aluminum threads/shavings? One of my concerns is having to punch metal INTO the pan. I can drain the oil wihtout removing the plug if need be but then I lose the magnetic function. A steel bolt in an aluminum case it's not hard to strip the threads. I will say I've used them on cars with success. I coated it with red Locktite for now. I hardly 'cranked' on it at all. Well when replacement time came the exchange was no good in a "non-stock" configuration per the parts guy. Just get a new oil pan and a gasket and replace it. You are using an out of date browser. Don't use a torque wrench. What's a good permanent fix for it? Huge E-Bike Jumps!! Yup! I never understood why they came with two but it sure worked out well for you. Might work; my assessment: "If it SEALS, it HEALS!" . So not sure. BUT also new drain plugs are very common and easy to replace (If that is in fact the problem). Privacy Policy. Man, Grenzig, that stinks. Cheers #15. crazybrit, Feb 26, 2013 #16. crazybrit Defying any self identifying. I fixed it with JD Weld and rode the next day. I just dont want to order the wrong size again. Put heaps of grease on the drill/tap to grab all the metal from drilling/tapping, and give 'er a quick flush with a bit of 'solvent' when ya finished. Some people suggest I use a helicoil type system. First off, it might be difficult to remove, so avoid using vice grips, as those may strip the head. as far as the drain bolt, m12 1.5 they have magnetic M14 1.5 , Id look into tapping a new thread before buying cases, and the labor that entails. When you buy through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. . 2023 ft. RotoMoto, Why So Many Factory Busts These Days? On my KTM, there is a plug for checking the oil. 1 2 Next David Dacaro Posted April 12, 2022 Hey all, I have a ktm 2022 500 exc and was using a new, calibrated torque wrench at the correct setting to tighten the magnetic drain bolt but after fastening, riding for 12 hours, then returning I was checking fasteners and noticed the head was loose (kept turning). The bolts are usually hardened steel. For some reason oil plugs can get themselves stuck. Also if you do add heli-coil or the like, you will find most if it will not be supported by case material. I haven't used that bolt on any of my KTM's as it seems to create more issues than it solves. The timecert counter sinks into the case. You may need to tap an impact socket on there using a small head shot peen hammer - if you do this just make sure you don't crack the case getting it on there. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. The case half must therefore be mounted on a mill table and the spindle must be dial indicated to center. Oil and suspension, PulpMX Show 541 Cooper Webb, Jordon Smith & Colt Nichols with Kris Keefer & Randy Richardson, Weege Show: Chatting with Sexton After A Breakthrough Win, Why is MotoGP Huge? By continuing to browse our site you agree to our use of data and cookies. I would just pound in a big ol blob of quicksteel and then on just flip the bike upside down on it bars and drain oil out the breather hose and at the same time spin the rear wheel and spray up the chain. Previous owner must have done it. Then never use the bolt again for oil level check. Just fill a desired quantity and go ride. What's a good permanent fix for it? Tjat would make me very emotional. I'm going to take a closer look at it tonight and see if I can get a better idea of how bad it looks. I coated it with red Locktite for now. Anyone stripped oil drain plugs? | Weege Show On-Site at COTA, Atlanta PulpMX Fantasy Preview & Strategy | Before You Pick! I gather this is KTM 125 or 200 since you have drain plugs on both sides. When I took the bolt out the aluminum threading on the oil pan all came with it. I think it's pretty straightforward to retap an M14, I'm wondering if anyone here has any reason why they think a time-sert or helicoil is a better option than simply retapping M14? This should work with KTM 4 stroke motors 2000-2007. It's coolant, mainly, seems to be coming from the top hose into the engine. Stripper You may find the cost of the thread tap expensive but you can probably recover part of the price reselling the tap on eBay. Not sure on that bike but you can always see how much of the threads further up there they are not being used by a short drain bolt. I believe it was M17 thread. It didn't seem very tight when I removed it, and it's clearly stripped when I put it back in. Is the mechanic going overboard? Previous owner must have done it. You do it for the same reason I do BigLou, it's cheap insurance. The Universe is my way, Love is my law. Discussion in 'Hard. JavaScript is disabled. I think the guy just over tightened it to begin with. 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