If youre someone shooting on a regular basis, knowing your cartridges barrel life is important. If I have my dimensions correct (if not correct me please), everything is so close, that you can almost fire one round in the other's chamber (I am not condoning this, its a bad idea, but you get the point). 300Norma, we prepared this in detail write up. Since factory ammunition is basically going to be a crap shoot as far as accuracy, this one is a tough one but I will have to give the nod to the 300 Win Mag. What is the cost of ammo before you wear out the barrel? The change in position is determined by the velocity of the wind and other factors. The .28 Nosler cartridge case can be formed by "necking up" or expanding the neck of a .26 Nosler case to 7mm (.284") diameter. The shoulder is set back slightly compared to the 5.56 cartridge to prevent accidentally chambering a 5.56 cartridge in a .22 Nosler rifle. I have a 30SM, it pushes 215s 2950 in a proof cf 20 barrel with n570. Which of 28 Nosler or 30 Nosler do we prefer? My shooting buddy Robert is running 230s at 3050ft/s from a 29inch barrel. I finally found a load with the 230 Berger Hybrid and Retumbo. The critical part of the barrel is the first 10 inches from the chamber into the barrel. Meanwhile, the 180-grain 30 Nosler has a barrel life of 500-800 rounds. We also spoke to Harry Drescher in the Netherlands from Solid Solution Designs that builds many large bore rifles for long range and ELR (exlrs.com) as well US based gunsmith Ryan Pierce, who has probably built more 300 Norma hunting rifles than anyone else and is a well-respected knowledge source on the respective 300Norma Facebook group. Stretch the other end over a funnel. 30 Nosler - 215 Hybrids. The trend continues for as long as the bullets propagate further. Here the height of the sights is 1.5 from the rifle, which is considered ideal. The .26 Nosler is designed as a modern 6.5mm cartridge, using recent advances in firearm technology to attain exceptionally high muzzle velocities, up to 1,040m/s (3,400ft/s), and maintain an extremely flat trajectory. Mike at Hells Canyon Armory chambered the 30 Nosler test rifle using one of his 26 barrels. From the chart, you can see the gradual change of these metrics. .200" of freebore, will be most likely to allow you to run a 215 Berger at the 3100FPS node with H1000 and a 26" barrel. However, the windage depends on a lot of external factors. Harry: In order to answer this question, we should think about how the barrel is built and how it is constructed, that is a free-floating match barrel in a MTU style profile. They are still supersonic at the distance, their windage correction will be relatively low say 6-8MOA of wind in 10mph full value which makes it easier to connect in changing winds. Interested in the latest precision rifle updates? The final load was pushing 215 Bergers at 2925fps. You must log in or register to reply here. Tom Colorado said: I was about to give up on my Nosler M48 in 28 Nosler. Rod: Do you see any big changes in Fopen calibers? The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. Accuracy is as good as the rifle and the ammunition you feed it; most premium-ammo-fed modern rifles will shoot under 1-MOA, and some will shoot much better. It was the 300 Winchester Magnum vs. the 30 Nosler vs. the new 300 PRC. Here the trajectories are very similar and the dip is very little. This barrel was a royal pain I tried several bullets including the 212 ELD, 225 ELD, 208 ELD, and 215 Berger. High performance cartridges are created for specific tasks. The Bertram is currently around 89 grains. Its parent cartridge is the .404 Jeffery. That statement makes it obsolete to me. Will we have a clear winner? Being a more wind forgiving round, it allows you make the same shot with half with difficulty. . Ive also noticed that the users after specific cartridges often are trying to achieve very specific goals and understand this principle better than others who just go to the range to plink and have fun burning a few rounds of ammo. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Due to its greater length, the Remington case is about 25 percent more capacious than the Nosler.[17]. Rod: How far off are these cartridges in terms of barrel wear from traditional cartridges like 300win mag by todays performance standards and materials? While a simple bullet might look normal, the science behind it is very fascinating. Wind velocity plays a key role in the trajectory of any bullet. Out of these cookies, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. [20], The .33 Nosler was released in 2017 with Nosler supplying ammunition and components. This is near max but brass will last four to five firings. If burning barrels concerns you more than the performance you can achieve, than that level of performance is probably not for you or you dont need it. As a reloader, you can stock up on brass, and the reported barrel life on the 26 Nosler is between 450-800 rounds, depending on shooting style. If youre using a weapon with higher recoil, you need to prepare yourself for that. Links to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other services inserted in the comment text will be automatically embedded. As far as barrel life I don't have any idea sherman has said 1800 in the past. Learn how to load develop in < 50 rounds here. So, 28 Nosler takes the edge in terms of barrel life! Extremely flat shooting. Many will complain about the belt, which in most cases is nothing more than a cosmetic eyesore. So that we can keep the comparisons as neutral as possible. Rod: How many rounds do you expect your high performing 300Norma/ 28Nosler hunting rifles to go?. Last time we discussed the specifics of the 33XC. Since the .28 Nosler burns smaller powder charges than the 7mm RUM, barrel accuracy life is potentially a bit longer. Less twist rate means the bullet loses less energy, thus going further than a bullet with a higher twist rate. Runner up is Benchmark and Rangemaster Precision Arms barrels being both top notch supplier of button rifled barrels. Replies 151 Views 5K. . Burning barrels is not an issue with such volume to bore ratio as found in the 308win. There are a lot of underlying factors that determine the efficiency of a cartridge. Trajectory refers to the path of the bullet once it has left the gun. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. How can I see whats going on in the barrel?. The groups were 1.25 at its best. Mag. Carefully spaced shots (don't overheat the barrel) always . 3. Links to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other services inserted in the comment text will be automatically embedded. As a last ditch effort I purchased some hammer bullets: 143gr HH, 150gr SH and 155gr HH in their 15 round sample packs. Over the last several months, I have been testing an old warrior along side two of the newest and hottest 30 caliber cartridges. Ryan Pierce on High Performance hunting rifles. Now, If you shoot in a straight line to reach your target, it will very likely be moved out of position. Remember, keep load development short when testing hi performance rifle cartridges. All three cartridges will feed from a 3.7 Remington mag box when throated correctly for 215 Bergers, but as I stated earlier, the PRC is a little long-throated so it would require a Wyatts box with a SAAMI reamer to reach the lands. Run two or three dry patches through before firing. A few have also asked me about the barrel wear on the 300 Norma Mag cartridge so I thought I will put out a few thoughts about it as well as reeling in the thoughts of some top gun smiths in the process. [5][9], The high velocity of the .26 Nosler cartridge has raised concerns about excessive barrel wear, potentially wearing down barrels at a rate faster than that of the similar .264 Winchester Magnum, which itself has a reputation for being a "barrel burner". The 212 eld x factory ammo shot ok as is, but I reload so it doesnt really matter to me. [16] This means that weight is usually on a premium and the overall balance of the gun important. Like the .26, the .28 Nosler also fits in a .30-'06 Sprg.-length . The table has all the information you need about the cartridges to help you make your choice! I will say that about 10-years ago, I was talking with a Sako rep about the TRG's. No one I know head spaces off the belt making it a moot point in my opinion. The 30 Nosler cartridge guide is here to give you our favorite loads and components. 30SM wins for me. What are your objectives with this cartridge? I have 44 mag for deer ,22 lr I carry coon hunting, 17rem carbine barrel and 30-30 carbine barrel would really 7mm TCU or 7-30 waters for ringing steel at extended ranges. This factory cartridge OAL is what holds the Win Mag back when it comes to factory ammo options and is a major reason the guys at Hornady developed the 300 PRC. Finding the right cartridge can drastically improve your shooting experience. So, the air can control the path of the bullet, eventually taking it away from its target. The accuracy will be where the barrel likes it. Head to the about me section. If the recoil is high, the backward energy is also higher. Having said that, it can benefit from a custom throat. So, its time to give the final verdict! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Shoot a few rounds fast, any you will feel that barrel steaming! However, 28 Nosler takes the edge on barrel life. Here, energy refers to the damage caused by the bullet. You are using an out of date browser. Longtine88; Nov 20, 2022; 9 10 11. The Nosler Model 48 Mountain Carbon rifle produced excellent performance, a highly effective combination of good ergonomics, light weight, dependability, and accuracy. So, how do you know when theyre the most effective? The zero range of the rifle as well as the height of the sight should be taken into account. Harry: Recently we have seen a massive increase of sales of replacement barrels in 33xc, and 37xc as well as 416 Barret. A one mile rifle cartridge like the 300 Norma and similar cartridges have what it takes to connect at 1 mile. Ballistic Coefficient refers to the bullets ability to deal with air resistance. The 30 Nosler has an almost similar Ballistic Coefficient. If you want to stretch your rifles legs and performance matters, then keep reading. Now, 30 Nosler has higher elevation energy at the start due to its higher muzzle velocity. (editor: similar challenges lie with the .408 round, not enough high performance bullets to choose from restricting the popularity of the cartridges). Lets say we get 1000 rounds of tip top accuracy, 1/3 MOA accuracy shooting a 215gr at 3100ft/s without pushing it. But for sure the proper powder for a good case fill, and proper barrel length for the burn rate and charge weight will make more difference? These cookies do not store any personal information. If I wanted to shoot a 180, I would shoot a 7mm. On the other hand, 30 Nosler needs 86gr of H1000 powder to get a load capacity of 97% So, in terms of load capacity, 28 Nosler takes the edge! This will equate to roughly 3-4 grains powder difference between each when hitting pressure with H1000 and the 215 Berger in good chambers. It was straight jacket who did the barrel. As a result, it gets the advantage of trajectory as well. JavaScript is disabled. Its parent cartridge is the 300 H&H. The load with the 230 Bergers and Retumbo was 2880 fps at the muzzle. So, when it comes to choosing one between them, it becomes an uphill climb. Rod: What kills a barrel fast when shooting strings? Remember, keep load development short when testing hi performance rifle cartridges. Nosler is also offering rifles chambered in the .33 Nosler in its Liberty and Heritage lines, with the first rifle being the M48 Western. Whereas the 7mm RUM case measures 60.6mm (2.387in) long from head to body-shoulder juncture, that dimension on the .28 Nosler case is 55.0mm (2.166in). But that is no science behind that guess haha. Started with the 143 and did a short ladder test with H1K powder 2gr apart. Heat is the enemy of barrel life, the hotter you get your barrel the faster the rifling will begin . It has more case capacity than the 30 Nosler. Lets take stainless steel barrels, Single point cut rifling. The best way to think about this round is as an updated version of the venerable 7mm Rem. Ok, lets talk about the real performance of the test rifles. A 308win cartridge will burn circa 42grains of powder for a 30 caliber bullet. So not trying to pick fights or start wars, but I am trying to objectively understand what the differences are. I ended up with it and actually sold it on a whim without even putting the barrel on. The test rifle has a 26 Wilson barrel to keep everything as close as I was willing to do. Yes I agree I just had so many ackleys before I got tired of messing with that part. Also, who did he get to chamber the bartlein? [18], According to a recent Nosler publication, the .30 Nosler surpasses the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum, headspaces off of the shoulder like a .300 Remington Ultra Magnum and fits the same standard length action of a 300 Winchester Magnum.[19]. In this article, were going to settle the debate once and for all. I am a businessI am an individual To help you understand, well compare 28 and 30 Noslers load data with the H1000 powder. This creates immense heat and friction inside a small bore, pushing a bullet along the lands of the rifle barrel. It is the second cartridge designed by Nosler. Lets find out more Standard [], 33XC Rifle, First date! While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. Ryan: Round count ispretty subjective. Accuracy requirements play a big role in that as well, along with the above-mentioned variables. Ryan is extremely knowledgeable and helpful, you may contact him here [email protected]. The main brand chosen is in our view Bartlein, Krieger, and Proof research. It is hard to argue about the pure muscle of the RUM, but it is more than I want to mess with. I know without a doubt, I will be shooting a 30 Nosler until I cant get brass or the next best thing comes along. Western slope, Colorado. And for projectiles, please choose a good High BC bullet like WTC, Berger solid, Cutting Edge, SSD Holland. However, the key metric to judge a bullets capability is its velocity once its out of the rifle. Lets take a hunting rifle chambered in 300Norma such as those built by Ryan Pierce. So, during impact, it will have a bigger collision. So, it can be different at different times of the season. Load capacity Charge/(case capacity x bulk density). Great bullet selection, no belts, recoil is less than what I expected. The test rifle is my third 30 Nosler. It didnt shoot as well on the top end. Above: Nowhere is the game more life and death than when hunting in the mountains. Typically these rifle cartridge users build rifles around the bullet and cartridge they want to use or otherwise rechamber an existing rifle for a specific rifle which entails a new barrel and set of dies in most scenarios (as is the case with 338LM users shooting a 33XC) Typically these shooters are more involved with their goals and objectives and want to achieve specific goals. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. A side benefit is you'll push out a lot of powder fouling. S. Schw15 . Upon comparison, the 30 Nosler takes the edge on most technical aspects. I have even had a customer who did 600 rounds laser-style in his 416Barret, ending the rifling for a good 45 percent.. One was with Retumbo the other with N570. I would definitely prefer to carry the 6 pound Mountain Carbon over rough terrain rather than a much heavier, wooden-stocked rifle. If you use heavier bullets, the barrel life will reduce significantly. Maximum case lengths are 72.4mm (2.850in) and 65.8mm (2.590in) respectively. The 300 Win Mag is going to push a 215 Berger between 2900 and 3000 fps most of the time. Mine is doing 3250ft/s with a 215berger, its no slouch. Since the 28 Nosler bullets are lighter, they can stay in the air longer. These include factors like load data and barrel life. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. It has been around in wildcat form for around ten years prior. The 30 Nosler takes the edge on certain features due to its size. This is exposed to a lot of pressure, heat, carbon and coppering. Your email address will not be published. Pair that with its heavier weight and it takes the edge. Ok once were over the financials, lets speak to the experts. Maybe its another reason altogether. Here the wind velocity was 10 mp/h at a 90-degree angle. To get a quick overview of the cartridges, check the following table-. Barrel life refers to the expected number of rounds before its accuracy starts degrading. There is no end to the which cartridges are bigger, badder, faster argument. The .33 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length 84.8mm (3.340in) as the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, and the .30 Nosler, which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action firearms. For a sub-MOA barrel, many shooters report a loss in peak accuracy for 28 Nosler around the 800-round mark, while a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel can hold accuracy until around 2,000-2,500 rounds on average. Above: Pushing the limits during ladder testing of the 300Norma Mag before taking it for the King of 1 mile competition in France. The velocity also comes at play here since kinetic energy is determined based on velocity and the formula is-. The guy who bought it we talk and he seems to really like it 2930ish I think 250 a-tip rl33 28 inch bartlein barrel. Heat from repeated firing burnsbarrelsout slightly quicker. Another somewhat new and great option is the 131 gr Blackjack bullet with its sky-high BC. Its been out over a year now. Ive done a few for guys and theyve hammered. Im finishing up a 25 SST for myself in the next week or two and will be using that bullet with it on deer/antelope size game. Not sure how long the barrel will last but seeing as its predominantly a hunting rifle it will last a long time. The other question I ask shooters that write to us at rifletalks.com is, do you want a 1-mile rifle or a rifle that can potentially shoot 1 mile?. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. So, choosing the best in the 28 Nosler vs 30 Nosler debate can be a bit challenging. . On the other hand, the 28 Nosler cartridges start from $50-70 for 20 rounds. How much longer depends on a number of things, including barrel quality and whether a barrel is regularly cleaned and serviced or abused by its owner. 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